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Yankees Suck!

Boston's love- hate relationship with the New York Yankees
August 18, 2002


Rolando Arrojo
Rolando Arrojo:
fled Cuba to pursue his dream of beating the NY Yankees?

Sang Lee
Sang Lee:
came from Korea a NY Yankee- hater?
In the 1990's the Red Sox "brain"trust led by General Manager Dan Duquette (robot?) seemed to be feeding the Yankees- bashing craze. It was as if they were coaching new additions to the Sox roster to make anti- Yankees statements. Does anyone really believe that Rolando Arrojo, who risked his life and defected from Cuba, hates the Yankees? Do you think that red- haired pitcher Sang Lee, signed to a minor contract from Korea, grew up dreaming of one day beating the Yankees while pitching in Korea? Manny Ramirez grew up in New York City, but the Sox justified giving him 160 million reasons to come to Boston for 8 years by having him proclaim he wants to beat the Yankees. The most ludicrous statement on the subject was from the monotoned nutjob Duquette, who proudly praised his team for having spent more time in first place during the regular season in the 1990's than the Yankees. That alone should have been grounds for his dismissal.

Manny Ramirez
Red Sox outfielder Manny Ramirez is sick of the Yankees winning
Two things best signify the Boston fan's dislike of the Yankees: the "Yankees Suck!" chant (the "chant") and "Yankees Suck" shirts. The chant has been present at most Sox games for the past 3-4 seasons. At first I embraced the chant. That was me (drunk) at Camden Yards for a Sox- Orioles game in late 1999 chanting "Yankees Suck!" If you heard someone screaming "Yankees Suck!" in downtown Boston in the dead of winter, chances are it was me (drunk.) That was me (drunk) you passed starting the chant when you wore a Yankees hat on public transportation. These days the chant has taken on a life of it's own. It can come out at any time. The opponent does not matter. Timing does not matter. Critical juncture of a regular season game against the Bronx Bombers, they're chanting; first inning of a spring training game against the Colorado Rockies, they're chanting. The Yankees don't even have to be playing that day. At the Patriots Super Bowl victory parade in Boston in February 2002, Patriots player Larry Izzo started the chant. Patriots won the Super Bowl, but the Yankees Suck.

Yankees Suck shirt, front view
Yankees Suck shirt
front view
Yankees Suck shirt, back view
Yankees Suck shirt
back view
In 1999 navy blue shirts with BOSTON printed in red letters on the front, the #21 on the back and "Yankees Suck" where the players name is normally printed began popping up around Fenway Park. In obvious deference to Clemen$, the shirts were hilarious at the time (yes I do own one.) The group who originally sold the shirts grew (visit their website, http://www.hatetheyanks.com/news.htm;) obtaining permits and selling the shirts, along with similarly- themed flags and bumper stickers. The shirts have also grown increasingly vulgar, the worst reading "Jeter Swallows." Today you cannot get anywhere near Fenway Park without seeing them offered for sale or being worn by a Red Sox fan.

sidenote: Sox fans are not the only one's guilty here. I have been to Yankees Stadium and heard "Boston Sucks" and seen "Red Sox Suck" shirts. However, the best shirt read "Boston Suck." I kick myself for not buying one on the spot. To simply point out the stupidity of the fan that sold these shirt, I mean shirts, would have been a story to pass along to my NY Yankee- hating grandchildren one day.

At a recent game the Fenway scoreboard announced a man proposing marriage. The whole event unfolded in the aisle in front of me. He was wearing a "Yankees Suck" shirt. The memories of that event are going to be great for that couple. Imagine their family looking at photos from the magical evening- I can just hear Grandma Trashy now, "Oh Billy I love your shirt, it really captures the sentiment of the moment."

John Henry and Dan Duquette
when new Red Sox owner John Henry (left) fired Dan Duquette (right), an opportunity for a change in the organization's attitude emerged
The sale of the team and subsequent firing of Duquette was an opportunity for the whole attitude of the team and it's management to shift. It has to certain extent, but thus far the only criticism I have of the new Sox administration is their continued references to the Yankees (see analysis of the Cliff Floyd trade.) Like Zima, and David Arquette, I'm surprised these references are still around when I see/ hear them. Besides, all of the negativity gives Red Sox fans and the city of Boston an unsophisticated (read: stupid) aura. Why are you letting your children leave the house wearing those shirts? Why are you waving those flags on a street filled with Red Sox fans? Why are you chanting "Yankees Suck" in April while playing a Canadian team? Why is David Hasselhoff in rehab while Bobby Brown roams free?

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click on the photo to hear the Yankees Suck song
click above to hear 101.7 WFNX's 1999 Yankees Suck song. the station now hosts an annual Yankees Suck party.
In 2002 Seattle's Safeco Field banned patrons from entering the stadium wearing "Yankees Suck" clothing. Though Seattle has since relaxed the ban, I appreciate the Mariner administration's intentions. Free speech and censorship are not the issues, banning the shirts is similar to a dress code. It is analogous to prohibiting jeans in certain restaurants. That said, as much as dress codes can be bothersome, it is the establishment's owner's prerogative to set standards. The Mariners were attempting to create an atmosphere that is friendly to all. Is it censorship or a violation of freedom of speech if the behavior offends. "Suck" may not be the most offensive word and Beavis & Butthead did result in it's inclusion in our vernacular, but the audience at these games is widely varying. The message on the shirts is not what I would want my children to see. Note I do not have children, but if I did, I would think twice about taking them to the park (actually, I could not afford to take them) at a young age. When the Sox TV announcers are visibly relieved that a young fan being interviewed live did not utter the words to the chant; it has gone too far. Can you imagine your young daughter or sister asking what Jeter swallows? And what about older fans. Are they looking at these shirts fondly, saying "Oh, the kids, they're so funny with their 'Jeter Swallows' shirts. Oh, to be young again." The new Red Sox administration is said to be considering banning these items in the near future. They would likely have my support.

Nomar, Bernie and Jeter at the 1999 All Star game
Nomar Garciaparra, Bernie Williams and Derek Jeter:
at the 1999 All Star Game looking like heated rivals
It may be age, hypocrisy, cynicism or allergies, but the negative atmosphere surrounding this rivalry no longer amuses me. I look forward to the Red Sox playing the Yankees, but I am no longer foolish enough to chant. Maybe I need to check the definition of "Suck." 'Bad' means good, does 'suck' have a positive connotation that is lost on me? The chants and shirts probably will get worse if the Sox ever beat the Yankees, but until then, does anyone have a dictionary handy?

If the Yankees do suck while winning 26 championships and perennially finishing atop the American League East, then, damn, the Red Sox are BAD! If it results in 26 championships, I wish the Red Sox would start sucking.

Henry/ Duquette photo from http://www.790thezone.com/APNews/SportsPhoto.asp?SportID=1&TeamID=18&APNewsID=16435.
Nomar/ Bernie/ Jeter photo from http://groups.msn.com/DJArodandNomarFans/nomarpictures.msnw.
Sang Lee photo from http://www.s-t.com/daily/01-00/01-08-00/b01sp062.htm.
REACTION TO YANKEES SUCK COLUMN
From: "Andrea Viteritti"
Subject: Re: red sox- yankees
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:07:32 -0600
You have WAY too much time on your hands.

From: Matt Callahan
Subject: Re: red sox- yankees
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:55:28 -0700 (PDT)
I think you should end all your articles with "This is Dan Scully for The Couch".

From: Dave Greten
Subject: Re: red sox- yankees
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:07:36 -0700 (PDT)
While I was interested and impressed by the overall quality of writing for "The Couch" by Mr Daniel Michael Scully, I was shocked by his committed interest to the analysis of baseball games, trends, and players in leiu of the impending baseball strike, a strike which will surely sound the final death knell for the bloated product baseball has become.

Furthermore, I find Mr. Scully's lack of analysis of the aforementioned baseball strike simply inexcusable. For shame, Mr. Scully, for shame.

From: "Savage, Brian D."
Subject: Re: red sox- yankees
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:37:56 -0400
They (the Yankees) are not fairly competitive. They have the highest payroll in baseball. Basically they field an MVP team to win every year with success based all upon money.

If you enjoyed the youth baseball world series of last year, where to win they resort to including 14 years olds in their pitching staff, perhaps you have no sense of the overall disparity in the competition. Such wins are ill-gotten when solely dependent on the greed of the sport, the money, not the will of equals. You can not tell me there is any other factor involved with Yankee victories.

Now take the Patriots for instance, or NFL football overall to get another relative contrast. Such successes are the result of multiple ingredients that lend themselves to true fair competition and thus an "unsuckiness" of any team winning, if you will. The NFL depends on a draft weighted on wins and losses (as do most *other* sports), there is ofcourse salary caps, coaching matters (like coaching matters in baseball), and player resolve (more injuries, *real* injuries, -more heart). Any NFL victory season ranks above an beyond when contrasted by the methodology (grand formula), that the Yankees use to win all the time. One word - Money. Period.

That is how the Yankees suck. They represent all that is wrong with baseball as though no other team in history ever could for any other sport.

From: "chris@yankees-suck.com"
Subject: RE: Sox- Yankees
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:34:50 -0400
Thanks for the email. I enjoyed reading your article. The only problem I have with it is that you mention the guys from hatetheyanks.com who not only started the Yankees Suck shirt, but are also the morons selling the vulgar jeter swallows shirts and bumper stickers. The picture you have on the site is of one of our first versions of the shirt sold during the playoffs in 99 against the yanks. I am not looking for credit here at all, just want you to know two things, 1. we were the first to make the shirts (the one pictured on your site is a classic, but is also version 2) 2. we would never go to the level of making shirts that say jeter swallows. Those guys came second and are in it for the wrong reasons. We sell yankees suck shirts, but we are pro red sox and sell authentic and licensed MLB products as well. We have a MLB license that allows us to sell you a nomar authentic jersey. We have a sports writer who writes for us and two other major publications. We co-host the annual yankees suck party with fnx. We have a following of faithful fans who dont just come to the site because it's yankees-suck.com, but because we are a fun fan site to go to. I agree with 98% of whats in your article. I would push you a little to think more about the rivalry as a whole not just in the last 5 years. Duke and Carolina's rivalry isn't looked at over the last 10 years, Yankees and Red Sox shouldn't either. It's a great tradition and when either team comes to town, the games are sold out and people are fired up. I never usually respond to people who email us about this stuff, but I do like what you have put together. It's sort of a biography of the modern day Yankees Suck movement (there was one similar in the 70's). I hope you come on by the second annual FNX and Yankees-Suck.com fan rally tomorrow at Axis from 3-7. Ask for me will be wearing my Johnny Damon shirt.
Chris

From: "david shepherd"
Subject: RE: Sox- Yankees
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:23:21 +0000
I actually think it would make much more sense and be more honest if they sold "Yankee Fans Suck" T-shirts, now that I could get behind.


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